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Yes, please do! I'm interested in hearing about your experience.

Yeah, the swing plane and especially the grip are the answers to this problem, not some gimmick last second moves.

Here's hoping for the best!

Yeah, I saw it today. I had this same situation before, when I coincidentally put out an almost identical video a day after Ezra Aderhold and got accused of plagiarism. But this is not actually the same as Stokely's, luckily, since I don't talk about the body facing the target but the arm reaching out. It's a different cue, since you can still short arm and yank the disc even facing the target.

@@dgspindoctor yeah I didn't mean it in a accusatory way I love you both and you're my top two disc golf instructors if I could put both together and execute properly I'd be 400 ft

You can do it!

Thanks for the visit

You are so welcome

As a righty? I think this would fix that.

Mmm... It will rip out without actively releasing it.

@@dgspindoctor awesome I'll have to try that next time. I always try to flick my fingers out

Me too!

Give it a try. I think The Method is just like all the other backleg discgolf's, and adds unnecessary moves to a simple concept.

That's the only way to learn it!

Do you recommend starting with putters?

@@stuartwilliams2373 Yes. That really helps you to see if the release is actually clean or only corrected by the driver.

It's a fine disc!

I hope it works for you!

First who delivered!

No, actually everybody hates it.

Too bad I got here first! Hah!

@dgspindoctor No way, man! I love it when my ideas get validated by you smarter guys. ;)

Remember, you heard it here first.

Right on! No wrist loading is necessary, on the contrary, as you said. Let it load and unload with the momentum.

Or slower speed discs from the tee also

@@JBESgoalkeeping This works the same way with slower discs, too.

The high speed discs compensate for small faults, putters accentuate them. Let the putters school you. Then see how much better those high speed discs are.

@@newbie6633 Exactly! Throwing mids and putters with ease will teach you the control necessary for throwing drivers, too.

@@dgspindoctor always have had a very naturally good forehand, 100+ m from the first time I threw pretty much, but always struggled with the slower discs (except my beautiful berg of course). Excited to give this a try and see how it can benefit my game. Appreciate it!

I was also focusing on this exact thing. I noticed I end my arms forward motion much sooner than Ricky or Goose. They seem to reach way out in front of them before finishing the snap.

@@curtisridenour Yeah, Ricky was exactly who helped me as well, one Jomez video had a reverse slomo and it showed the exact moment the disc left his hand and I was like ”Thats wayyyyy out in front of him!” Its crazy how you can always find new little things to tweak in your form

Andrew marwede is way out in front and only 1finger grip. I can't explain it but I throw way better forehands with 1 finger. Maybe I'm reaching out more.

@@markhumphrey8894 I have a friend, an ex-professional basketball player who had a reallllly strong index finger and could throw forehand with only that. I confirm it's possible, but have no idea HOW ON EARTH!

Toivottavasti jeesaa!

Also a good question. Some insist that you need to brief case grip the disc and then actively whip it straight, Seppo Paju style. But obviously nobody is doing that activelt because it happens automatically already, if you let the body move freely.

The name is not important, the message is. I don't do clinics in the states, because, you know...European working in the US is a hassle.

Oh, if Drew does that, forget about everything I said.

Exactly! That is what I say in my video about the backloaded grip. It makes all the gimmick moves like Pour the coffee and Turn the key downright redundant.

I mean, it works of course. Thing is, you don't have to do any of this, if you are doing things correctly already.

Yeah, sometimes you can fix problems by adding another problem.

Tell me what's bothering you.

@@dgspindoctor I'll watch the video again 😞

People are pretty caught up on tech disc data nowadays. We did quite okay without it, seeing what actually flew the farthest.

Hardly a coincidence!

@@dgspindoctor awesome

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

@@dgspindoctor So I see hips move, but what's actually happening up top? Are you focusing on shoulder movement? Elbow movement? Wrist movement? I can't get the speed you're creating and can't figure out where to focus. Going to work on this until I get a "crack" sound.

I move the hand. The hand to the target as fast as possible, that's it. And you can experiment, how much you need to bend the arm or the wrist, but basically it is always about the hand. The faster you get it moving, the faster the disc launches out. All the other moving parts are basically in it's way, so you have to move them out of the way. A bit generalised, but basically that's how it is.

@@dgspindoctor OK, where do you move the hand to? I’ve been playing with this a bit. Is it as fast as possible to the follow through? Fast as possible to 10 o’clock?

@@luken4389 Bend the wrist/elbow and slam the hand to about 11 or smth. You should feel some pressure pulling the hand out. It wants to pop to the target. And always, ALWAYS follow through.

By pushing the thumb down and forward you are, basically gripping the disc like you should. No active moves done there.

Aahaa! That is exactly the fix that worked best for me, too. Never had to pour the coffee or anything after that. You mean the backloaded grip I covered in my video: ruclips.net/video/xKJlgRDG688/видео.html

@@dgspindoctor Exactly!

That would be hard for me, since I don't even hold/touch the disc with my pinkie (actually so I can hold the disc more nose down). So I don't turn the key with my wrist by turning the key with the disk itself in my palm. The 1019 rated guy taught me this at the clinic.

@@dejvicerules You can put the pressure on the ring finger, too. The point is to have the disc deep in your palm.

Good tip! If you have the basics in check, there is no need to turn the key.

Exactly! My nose up issues vanished when I started to brace correctly and finally when I changed the grip, I didn't have to even think about it anymore. If you grip correctly, the wrist works optimally, and these kinds of weird moves are not needed.

@@dgspindoctor thanks for the reply! I struggle with reflexively shrugging my front shoulder upwards when I throw. Do you have any videos that you’d recommend for me? I have watched your videos about (not) tucking the elbow, and pushing the scapula out rather than retracting. But I am still having trouble finding a drill or feeling that clicks and helps me get away from this bad habit. Thanks for all your help!

@@sweetjohn3340 I'm not an expert in physio stuff, but scapular stability plays an enormous role in shrugging the shoulder. You might want to look into that. Other than that, you really want to focus on the arm, not the neck or the back.

@@dgspindoctor thanks! I will look into it!

I would think it's a lot easier to throw annies and rollers with the hand rolling than the body rolling over.

What about normal discs on the field?

@@dgspindoctorThe comment here is also my experience. For me - they fly in the field the same way TechDisc detects it so I’m convinced it’s accurate. As I’m sitting here just holding a disc and checking my swing plane though, I’m seeing that my shoulder REALLY does not like it when my wrist and elbow are moving on the swing plane, so maybe my core issue is shoulder mobility as you state in the video. For reference: I’m almost 40 and one of those office / desk worker types.

@@JTygerAU That really could be the issue, or maybe it's your grip? Because the wrist should be totally at rest and aligned without having to pour the coffee or turn the key, and sure enough the grip affects that.

What worked for me, with my bad swing plane, was turning the key - but only slightly, and it was somewhat consistent throughout the throw. Personally I couldn't do it dynamically through the throw. Just not a skill I've been able to develop. That said, once I fixed my swing plane in controlled testing, nose angle went down pretty consistently, of 2-4 degrees typically. Even had a few negative nose angles. That said, my swing is borked because I reflexively bring the disc up too high in my backswing, so there is a swoop, and the nose can't help but go up. You might look at your form from the side and rear and see if that's happening to you.

@@NickCarroll there’s a recent video Overthrow did where he uses a hula hoop to make sure he’s on plane. Have been doing something similar for a couple go weeks around the house in front of a mirror and then working on the same rotation in the field. What I learned is that I thought I was on plane but it was nowhere close. It’s just a lot of work to learn the feel and then, frankly, it’s a lot of physical work to drill and do the motion.

Either way, to force the wrist roll over is a bad cue.

Yeah! If your mobility limits your follow through, and it does for most of us, the swing plane can't hold.